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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [R] The Oswalds are up and running again
[R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #287648] Mi, 14 Juni 2006 17:20
Graycat  
Hi

With help from Roy Ayres (thank you!) I now have the Oswalds
up and running again. Hopefully you won't notice any big
differences except for the new email adress
(oswaldsaward [at] gmail.com) and possibly that it's slightly
better than before :o)

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #287878 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 02:13
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #287937 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 10:51
Graycat  
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:13:30 +0100, Bruce Richardson
<itsbruce [at] uklinux.net> jotted down:

>Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> With help from Roy Ayres (thank you!) I now have the Oswalds
>> up and running again. Hopefully you won't notice any big
>> differences except for the new email adress
>> (oswaldsaward [at] gmail.com) and possibly that it's slightly
>> better than before :o)
>>
>
>http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/gg.html
>
>Hugh Laurie is approaching an age that would make him a potential Vimes,
>I suppose, though I always thought that the (sadly dead, now) John
>Spencer of West Wing fame would have been perfect. I went to a DW
>casting event at the 2002 convention and the popular choices for Vimes
>were all rugged young action men in their early 30s; I just wanted to
>shout "My God, have none of you actually *read* the books?". I know
>that everybody creates their own unique interpretation of any book they
>read but Terry makes it quite clear that Vimes is a grizzled veteran who
>could plausibly be pensioned off.

I get a _lot_ of votes for people that are
age-inappropriate, and quite often what I'd consider
er...colour inapropriate too. Gosh, that sounds racist. What
I mean is many people seem to nomonate white british
commedians for everything - including parts where they are
explicitely black or from countries that resemble the middle
east or africa.

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #287943 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 11:05
Peter Ellis  
Graycat wrote:
>
> I get a _lot_ of votes for people that are
> age-inappropriate, and quite often what I'd consider
> er...colour inapropriate too. Gosh, that sounds racist. What
> I mean is many people seem to nomonate white british
> commedians for everything - including parts where they are
> explicitely black or from countries that resemble the middle
> east or africa.

Nice point. I don't think we're ever told what colour Vimes is, or even
Vetinari. We know there's a significant racial divide between A-M and
Klatch, but it could easily be that A-M is pretty multicultural with only
/some/ of the colour variants of the human species being regarded as
"foreign". In fact we're explicitly told that black and white live together
and gang up on green.

So... Morgan Freeman for Vimes?

Peter
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #287953 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 12:06
Torak  
Peter Ellis wrote:
> Graycat wrote:
>
>>I get a _lot_ of votes for people that are
>>age-inappropriate, and quite often what I'd consider
>>er...colour inapropriate too. Gosh, that sounds racist. What
>>I mean is many people seem to nomonate white british
>>commedians for everything - including parts where they are
>>explicitely black or from countries that resemble the middle
>>east or africa.
>
> Nice point. I don't think we're ever told what colour Vimes is, or even
> Vetinari. We know there's a significant racial divide between A-M and
> Klatch, but it could easily be that A-M is pretty multicultural with only
> /some/ of the colour variants of the human species being regarded as
> "foreign". In fact we're explicitly told that black and white live together
> and gang up on green.
>
> So... Morgan Freeman for Vimes?

That, may I say, would be bloody brilliant. With a bit of hair gel, I
can imagine Freeman as a pretty good Vetinari, too - he can do that
slightly bored, engineering things in the background thing.
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #287975 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 13:09
Eric Jarvis  
Peter Ellis pjie2 [at] cam.ac.uk wrote in <4fcm6eF1h3h23U1 [at] individual.net>:
> Graycat wrote:
> >
> > I get a _lot_ of votes for people that are
> > age-inappropriate, and quite often what I'd consider
> > er...colour inapropriate too. Gosh, that sounds racist. What
> > I mean is many people seem to nomonate white british
> > commedians for everything - including parts where they are
> > explicitely black or from countries that resemble the middle
> > east or africa.
>
> Nice point. I don't think we're ever told what colour Vimes is, or even
> Vetinari. We know there's a significant racial divide between A-M and
> Klatch, but it could easily be that A-M is pretty multicultural with only
> /some/ of the colour variants of the human species being regarded as
> "foreign". In fact we're explicitly told that black and white live together
> and gang up on green.
>
> So... Morgan Freeman for Vimes?
>

Works for me.

Casting well is a difficult process in the real world, and something that
in my opinion very few actually achieve and even fewer have thought about.
My process was to work out what the text specified explicitly, what was
clearly required through context, and above all what skills and style the
actor would need. So when it comes to Vimes there's not all that much
specified in physical terms. He's at least in early middle age but not yet
definitely an old man. He's male of course. He isn't remarkably tall,
short, fat or thin, or it would have been remarked upon. He has to be able
to convey a fair amount of world weariness particularly when he's reacting
to others. He should be able to move as if he's completely at home when
walking the streets of Ankh Morpork, but should look like a fish out of
water at a formal event. Everything else is possible.

Then having created a checklist I first decide which of the required
characteristics are going to be hardest to find. In the case of Vimes I
would expect it to be the last combination, many actors can easily look
either totally at home or very uncomfortable, relative few can combine the
two in the way Vimes should. Then I list the actors I can think of that
fit the bill and cross off any that fail when it comes to the other
required characteristics. It's only at that point that I start asking
myself if I can really envisage them playing the role.

Incidentally I also used the checklist to devise auditions. There's nearly
always a way to set up an improvisation or exercise that will show how a
performer might handle any specific aspect of a character. I always found
that gave better results than simply asking them to read from the script
and seeing who got closest the fastest.

Using that process can be entertaining. I have at times completely freaked
out performers by asking them to do roles they really didn't imagine
they'd ever play. It also means that many have stayed friends even though
I've not done any theatre for years. Good actors love being asked to try
new things.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288004 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 16:34
Arthur Hagen  
Peter Ellis <pjie2 [at] cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> Graycat wrote:
>>
>> I get a _lot_ of votes for people that are
>> age-inappropriate, and quite often what I'd consider
>> er...colour inapropriate too. Gosh, that sounds racist. What
>> I mean is many people seem to nomonate white british
>> commedians for everything - including parts where they are
>> explicitely black or from countries that resemble the middle
>> east or africa.
>
> Nice point. I don't think we're ever told what colour Vimes is, or
> even Vetinari.

For Vimes, I'm pretty sure he's been described as having steel grey eyes
(except at the beginning, when they probably were red), which precludes most
non-white actors from this universe.

There's also The Art of Discworld, which is approved by The Author.

Regards,
--
A*rt
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288055 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 20:15
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 15 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "Peter Ellis" <pjie2 [at] cam.ac.uk>

> Graycat wrote:
>>
>> I get a _lot_ of votes for people that are
>> age-inappropriate, and quite often what I'd consider
>> er...colour inapropriate too. Gosh, that sounds racist.
>> What I mean is many people seem to nomonate white british
>> commedians for everything - including parts where they are
>> explicitely black or from countries that resemble the
>> middle east or africa.
>
> Nice point. I don't think we're ever told what colour
> Vimes is, or even Vetinari. We know there's a significant
> racial divide between A-M and Klatch, but it could easily
> be that A-M is pretty multicultural with only /some/ of the
> colour variants of the human species being regarded as
> "foreign". In fact we're explicitly told that black and
> white live together and gang up on green.
>
> So... Morgan Freeman for Vimes?

He'd be brilliant, but in a previous discussion on this
subject I said the following:

<selfquote>
Jingo comes to mind here.

From it we know that Colon is brick red, and believes (or
believed) that white (which apparently includes brick red,
and the various colours of Nobby's skin) is the "right"
colour. We can probably extrapolate from this that Vimes and
Carrot[1] are white, since it's unlikely Nobby's unfailing
ability to wind Fred up during this exchange would have
failed to mention if they weren't.

Further evidence that Vimes is white comes from his
aknowledged difficulty in getting to grips with people who
look Klatchian, but sound Morporkian.

[1] Who, as the red-headed heir to a Sto Plains (ie European)
throne, there probably wasn't much doubt about anyway.
<endquote>

But I'm quite happy to ignore that in casting Freeman as Vimes
in a book other than Jingo.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288074 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 20:57
alec  
In article <4fcm6eF1h3h23U1 [at] individual.net>, pjie2 [at] cam.ac.uk says...

> Nice point. I don't think we're ever told what colour Vimes is, or even
> Vetinari. We know there's a significant racial divide between A-M and
> Klatch, but it could easily be that A-M is pretty multicultural with only
> /some/ of the colour variants of the human species being regarded as
> "foreign". In fact we're explicitly told that black and white live together
> and gang up on green.

Colon is red-faced, Nobby is multi-coloured, Carrott is red-haired which
usually goes with white, Angua is ash blonde. Rincewing regards black
Ecksians as very different, and is about to be seduced by explicitly
pale-skinned amazones in IT. Vimes has visibly tanned legs in NW, so
cannot be too dark.

Colon is prejudiced against "Johnny Klatichian" who is, I think,
explicitly brown. Given that Colon is not prejudiced against Vimes, I
think the prejudice for Vimes being, very roughly, "white".

Having said that, it is explictly stated that A-M spends too much energy
being speciesist to bother with racism. And given the wrenching changes
involved in transferring a book to a film, if doesn't seem to me that
skin colour should stop the right actor doing the job. And makeup and
lighting can add or subtract decades on film - see King Theoden in LOTR.
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288085 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 22:05
Graycat  
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:57:13 +0100, Alec Cawley
<alec [at] spamspam.co.uk> jotted down:

>In article <4fcm6eF1h3h23U1 [at] individual.net>, pjie2 [at] cam.ac.uk says...
>
>> Nice point. I don't think we're ever told what colour Vimes is, or even
>> Vetinari. We know there's a significant racial divide between A-M and
>> Klatch, but it could easily be that A-M is pretty multicultural with only
>> /some/ of the colour variants of the human species being regarded as
>> "foreign". In fact we're explicitly told that black and white live together
>> and gang up on green.
>
>Colon is red-faced, Nobby is multi-coloured, Carrott is red-haired which
>usually goes with white, Angua is ash blonde. Rincewing regards black
>Ecksians as very different, and is about to be seduced by explicitly
>pale-skinned amazones in IT. Vimes has visibly tanned legs in NW, so
>cannot be too dark.

Aren't we also told that Carrot has a "big honest pink face"
or something like that.

>Colon is prejudiced against "Johnny Klatichian" who is, I think,
>explicitly brown. Given that Colon is not prejudiced against Vimes, I
>think the prejudice for Vimes being, very roughly, "white".
>
>Having said that, it is explictly stated that A-M spends too much energy
>being speciesist to bother with racism. And given the wrenching changes
>involved in transferring a book to a film, if doesn't seem to me that
>skin colour should stop the right actor doing the job. And makeup and
>lighting can add or subtract decades on film - see King Theoden in LOTR.

Of course, but sometimes it's in the area of the actor being
say a 55 year old fat readhead from Scotland while the
character is a thin 16 year old black person from
howondaland. (I made this up)

Then there are things like Dawn French (british, white) for
Mrs Gogol (genuan, black), Cate Blanchett (skinny,
glamorous, beautiful) for Mrs Pleasant (chubby,
stereotypical bustling cook) or Halle Berry (40, black) for
Bethan (16, very pale).

And, for some reason, Dawn French for Tiffany Aching.

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288093 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 23:01
CeltiKaos  
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:57:13 +0100, Alec Cawley wrote:

> Having said that, it is explictly stated that A-M spends too much energy
> being speciesist to bother with racism.

Not forgetting Rincewind being good at running away and spending most of
his life regarding himself as a "racist".

'Then he found out what it meant and decided he wasn't.'

IIRC it boiled down to Rincewind liking *everyone* who wasn't currently
chasing him and/or trying to kill him.

Sounds good to me!

Kind regards,

Julian

PS You can't be speciesist against Nobby since nobody has pinned down what
species he is[1]
[1] Certificates from Vetinari notwithstanding :)
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288095 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 23:12
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 15 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com>


> Then there are things like Dawn French (british, white) for
> Mrs Gogol (genuan, black), Cate Blanchett (skinny,
> glamorous, beautiful) for Mrs Pleasant (chubby,
> stereotypical bustling cook)

And also black. In fact, Mrs P is specifically stated to be
black, while with Mrs G it's more a contextual thing.

> or Halle Berry (40, black) for
> Bethan (16, very pale).
>
> And, for some reason, Dawn French for Tiffany Aching.

WHAT???

Shouldn't people at least, like, flick through the books
before nominating people?

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288100 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 23:30
Graycat  
On 15 Jun 2006 21:12:39 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
<daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> jotted down:

>The time: 15 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
>speaker: Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com>
>
>
>> Then there are things like Dawn French (british, white) for
>> Mrs Gogol (genuan, black), Cate Blanchett (skinny,
>> glamorous, beautiful) for Mrs Pleasant (chubby,
>> stereotypical bustling cook)
>
>And also black. In fact, Mrs P is specifically stated to be
>black, while with Mrs G it's more a contextual thing.

Oh, right, I'd forgotten that. the you can add "white as a
porcelain figurine" against "black".

>> or Halle Berry (40, black) for
>> Bethan (16, very pale).
>>
>> And, for some reason, Dawn French for Tiffany Aching.
>
>WHAT???
>
>Shouldn't people at least, like, flick through the books
>before nominating people?

Well, I'd like them to, but I don't censor nominations. It
hasn't gotten any votes though, so at least the voters are
mainly sane :o)

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288114 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 23:12
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288126 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 00:52
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 15 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Bruce Richardson <itsbruce [at] uklinux.net>

> Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I get a _lot_ of votes for people that are
>> age-inappropriate, and quite often what I'd consider
>> er...colour inapropriate too. Gosh, that sounds racist.
>> What I mean is many people seem to nomonate white british
>> commedians for everything - including parts where they are
>> explicitely black or from countries that resemble the
>> middle east or africa.
>
> At this point I would like to point out that I was the one
> nominating Wesley Snipes as Carrot at the Convention
> casting item. Well, he had ginger hair in Demolition Man.
> What else do you need? I was really tired of all the
> Benton Fraser nominations.

It's not *our* fault he's perfect for the role (or was, about
<Good Lord, has it really been that long since Due South?>
ago)...


--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288137 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 01:10
Torak  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> speaker: Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com>
>>
>>And, for some reason, Dawn French for Tiffany Aching.
>
> WHAT???
>
> Shouldn't people at least, like, flick through the books
> before nominating people?

How about Arnold Schwarzenegger as Magrat?
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288177 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 04:56
Arthur Hagen  
Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> How about Arnold Schwarzenegger as Magrat?

Only if we can get Lance Henriksen to play Gytha Ogg.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288261 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 11:06
Brian Howlett  
On 15 Jun, Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:

[snip]

> It's not *our* fault he's perfect for the role (or was, about
> <Good Lord, has it really been that long since Due South?>
> ago)...
>
I take it you don't have access to ITV 3, then?

< URL:http://www.itv.com/listings/ShowListings.aspx?itvregion= grampian&itvgenre=0
&channelid=ITV3>
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
------------------------------------------------------------ --
Windows has detected that the mouse has been moved.
You must restart Windows for the new setting to take effect...
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288277 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 11:36
CeltiKaos  
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:56:50 -0400, Arthur Hagen wrote:

> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> How about Arnold Schwarzenegger as Magrat?
>
> Only if we can get Lance Henriksen to play Gytha Ogg.
>
> Regards,

Dolph Lundgren as Granny Weatherwax :) Or Stallone - she's definitely the
'don't push me' type :)
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288278 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 11:37
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 16 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap [at] brianhowlett.me.uk>

> On 15 Jun, Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> It's not *our* fault he's perfect for the role (or was,
>> about <Good Lord, has it really been that long since Due
>> South?> ago)...
>>
> I take it you don't have access to ITV 3, then?
>
> <URL:http://www.itv.com/listings/ShowListings.aspx?itvregion
> =grampian&itvgenre=0 &channelid=ITV3>

I do, but I figured the bit in the triangular brackets was
quite long enough without clarifying that I was talking about
the original broadcast.

And the repeats still don't tell me whether he's still perfect
for the role *now*...

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288287 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 11:46
Brian Howlett  
On 16 Jun, Brian Howlett wrote:
[snip]
> ITV 3, then?
>
> < URL:http://www.itv.com/listings/ShowListings.aspx?itvregion= grampian&itvgenre=0
> &channelid=ITV3>

Darn. And poot, come to that. I though the broken link thing had been
fixed - back to the other editor (tm)...

< URL:http://www.itv.com/listings/ShowListings.aspx?itvregion= grampian&itvgenre=0&channelid=ITV3>

Should work this time...
--
Brian Howlett - From and Reply-To both valid, but email to From deleted unseen
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------
Heart of gold, nerves of steel, knob of butter...
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288294 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 11:56
Brian Howlett  
On 16 Jun, Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:

> The time: 16 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The speaker:
> Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap [at] brianhowlett.me.uk>
>
[snip]
>>>
>> I take it you don't have access to ITV 3, then?

[snip]

> I do, but I figured the bit in the triangular brackets was quite long
> enough without clarifying that I was talking about the original
> broadcast.
>
> And the repeats still don't tell me whether he's still perfect for the
> role *now*...
>
Good point, however, as he is now 47.

The first picture at this site tends to suggest that his age is starting
to show:

<URL:http://www.cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/gross.html>
--
Brian Howlett - From and Reply-To both valid, but email to From deleted unseen
------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------
I have the world's largest collection of seashells. I keep it on all the
beaches of the world. Perhaps you've seen it.
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288348 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 15:21
Arthur Hagen  
CeltiKaos <lists [at] pratchett.removethatbit.kaotic.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:56:50 -0400, Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
>> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How about Arnold Schwarzenegger as Magrat?
>>
>> Only if we can get Lance Henriksen to play Gytha Ogg.
>>
>> Regards,
>
> Dolph Lundgren as Granny Weatherwax :)

Too close. He has steel blue eyes.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288434 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 20:24
CeltiKaos  
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:21:59 -0400, Arthur Hagen wrote:

> Too close. He has steel blue eyes.
>
> Regards,

Who'd he steel them from? ;)

(sorry - runs for cover)
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288552 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 00:35
Rocky Frisco  
CeltiKaos wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:56:50 -0400, Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
>
>>Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>How about Arnold Schwarzenegger as Magrat?
>>
>>Only if we can get Lance Henriksen to play Gytha Ogg.
>>
>>Regards,
>
>
> Dolph Lundgren as Granny Weatherwax :) Or Stallone - she's definitely the
> 'don't push me' type :)

Judy Dench would work for me. She can be far more scary than either of them.

-Rocky
--
O'Toole's Corollary: Murphy was an optimist.
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288607 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 02:01
alec  
In article <RmGkg.240808$5Z.144817 [at] dukeread02>, rocknatural [at] gmail.com
says...

> > Dolph Lundgren as Granny Weatherwax :) Or Stallone - she's definitely the
> > 'don't push me' type :)
>
> Judy Dench would work for me. She can be far more scary than either of them.

Judy Dench would be bloody marvellous - as she is at just about anythig
she does. But I would cast Judy Dench as Nanny Ogg, and Maggie Smith as
Granny Weatherwax. Judy Dench could do either equally well, but Maggy
Smith could only do Granny Weatherwax - but she would do it very well
indeed. The two together would be, IMO, totally definitive.
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288722 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 13:45
Eric Jarvis  
Alec Cawley alec [at] spamspam.co.uk wrote in
<MPG.1efd567e48f92d9a989cf6 [at] news.individual.net>:
> In article <RmGkg.240808$5Z.144817 [at] dukeread02>, rocknatural [at] gmail.com
> says...
>
> > > Dolph Lundgren as Granny Weatherwax :) Or Stallone - she's definitely the
> > > 'don't push me' type :)
> >
> > Judy Dench would work for me. She can be far more scary than either of them.
>
> Judy Dench would be bloody marvellous - as she is at just about anythig
> she does. But I would cast Judy Dench as Nanny Ogg, and Maggie Smith as
> Granny Weatherwax. Judy Dench could do either equally well, but Maggy
> Smith could only do Granny Weatherwax - but she would do it very well
> indeed. The two together would be, IMO, totally definitive.
>

Vanessa Redgrave, Glenda Jackson, possible even Jane Fonda. Ganny
Weatherwax should be sort of spiky. Prunella Scales would also make a fine
Nanny Ogg, though I'd be inclined to see what Helen Mirren could do with
the role.

Of course the problem is that once you cast any of those you are in the
situation where pretty much nobody could handle Magrat other than Jane
Horrocks.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288724 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 14:09
CeltiKaos  
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:01:02 +0100, Alec Cawley wrote:

> Judy Dench would be bloody marvellous

I can't see Judy Dench blotto on her garden lawn singing "The Wizard's
Staff Has A Knob On the End" or "The Hedgehog Can Never Be Buggered At
All". I can however see my personal choice, Patsy Byrne, doing that
(Nursie from Blackadder II if anyone doesn't know her).

--
Kind regards,

Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288731 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 14:42
CeltiKaos  
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:45:15 +0100, Eric Jarvis wrote:

> Of course the problem is that once you cast any of those you are in the
> situation where pretty much nobody could handle Magrat other than Jane
> Horrocks.

Hattie Hayridge (the first [female] Holly in Red Dwarf among other things).
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288769 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 17:09
Eric Jarvis  
CeltiKaos lists [at] munged4usenet.removethatbitohandthisbit.kaotic.co.uk wrote
in
<pan.2006.06.17.12.42.15.24955 [at] munged4usenet.removethatbitohandthisbit.kao
tic.co.uk>:
> On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:45:15 +0100, Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
> > Of course the problem is that once you cast any of those you are in the
> > situation where pretty much nobody could handle Magrat other than Jane
> > Horrocks.
>
> Hattie Hayridge (the first [female] Holly in Red Dwarf among other things).
>

Much as I admire Hattie Hayridge as a comedienne, actress, writer, and
former neighbour (she used to live just across the street), she's liable
to be a bit overwhelmed by something like a combination of Judy Dench and
Maggie Smith. She could do a fine job of playing Magrat in and of itself,
or with some slightly less overwhelming options for Granny and Nanny. The
witches have to be an equally matched three, even if Magrat is pushed
around most of the time and doesn't have the same level of confidence as
the other two.

Incidentally, how would Norman Lovett (the original Holly) do as Nobby?

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288786 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 19:42
CeltiKaos  
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:09:43 +0100, Eric Jarvis wrote:

> Incidentally, how would Norman Lovett (the original Holly) do as Nobby?

Ohh yess... or how about Brad Dourif (played as he did Wormtongue just a
more likeable character)?
--
Kind regards,

Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288790 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 20:41
Shmoe  
"Torak" <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9jakg.2300$YI3.585 [at] amstwist00...
> Peter Ellis wrote:
> > Graycat wrote:
> >
> >>I get a _lot_ of votes for people that are
> >>age-inappropriate, and quite often what I'd consider
> >>er...colour inapropriate too. Gosh, that sounds racist. What
> >>I mean is many people seem to nomonate white british
> >>commedians for everything - including parts where they are
> >>explicitely black or from countries that resemble the middle
> >>east or africa.
> >
> > Nice point. I don't think we're ever told what colour Vimes is, or even
> > Vetinari. We know there's a significant racial divide between A-M and
> > Klatch, but it could easily be that A-M is pretty multicultural with
only
> > /some/ of the colour variants of the human species being regarded as
> > "foreign". In fact we're explicitly told that black and white live
together
> > and gang up on green.
> >
> > So... Morgan Freeman for Vimes?
>
> That, may I say, would be bloody brilliant. With a bit of hair gel, I
> can imagine Freeman as a pretty good Vetinari, too - he can do that
> slightly bored, engineering things in the background thing.

I actually nominated Morgan Freeman for Vetinari today, before I read this
thread. Much better as a Vetinari than as a Vimes, I think...
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288989 ] So, 18 Juni 2006 13:01
Kieran Sanders  
CeltiKaos wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:09:43 +0100, Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, how would Norman Lovett (the original Holly) do as Nobby?
>
> Ohh yess... or how about Brad Dourif (played as he did Wormtongue just a
> more likeable character)?

I have him pegged as an excellent Carcer, though he never occurred to me
while Night Watch was in nominations. He just does "bottle covey" so well.
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #288993 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 03:20
Elder1  
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:05:17 -0400, Peter Ellis wrote:

> Graycat wrote:
>>
>> I get a _lot_ of votes for people that are age-inappropriate, and quite
>> often what I'd consider er...colour inapropriate too. Gosh, that sounds
>> racist. What I mean is many people seem to nomonate white british
>> commedians for everything - including parts where they are explicitely
>> black or from countries that resemble the middle east or africa.
>
> Nice point. I don't think we're ever told what colour Vimes is, or even
> Vetinari. We know there's a significant racial divide between A-M and
> Klatch, but it could easily be that A-M is pretty multicultural with
> only /some/ of the colour variants of the human species being regarded
> as "foreign". In fact we're explicitly told that black and white live
> together and gang up on green.
>
> So... Morgan Freeman for Vimes?
>
> Peter

I was thinking Jürgen Prochnow ICBW...

C:\>
--
saw him in "the keep" among others...
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #289010 ] So, 18 Juni 2006 14:13
CeltiKaos  
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:20:04 -0400, Elder1 wrote:

> I was thinking Jürgen Prochnow ICBW...
>
> C:\>

From the various bits we learn of Vimes:

NW: He goes back 30 years and "young Sam" is late teens, so that makes
current Sam late 40s.

He's probably white (since it would most likely have been specifically
mentioned if he was not).

He dislikes authority - although only *in others*

He dislikes pomp and ceremony

He has a personal code of right and wrong, not *always* the same as what
is legal and what isn't.

He's spent 30 years on the streets, so 'weather-beaten' would probably be
a kind description.

Hmm.. how abour Daniel Craig (if Barbara Broccoli hadn't already cocked up
and cast him as James Bond that is!)

--
Kind regards,

Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #289016 ] So, 18 Juni 2006 14:32
CeltiKaos  
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:13:39 +0100, CeltiKaos wrote:

> He's probably white (since it would most likely have been specifically
> mentioned if he was not).

Doh.. IIRC he's on the cover art of a couple of books and Pterry would no
doubt have mentioned if he was the wrong colour.

--
Kind regards,

Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #289056 ] So, 18 Juni 2006 16:12
Stacie Hanes  
CeltiKaos wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:20:04 -0400, Elder1 wrote:
>
>> I was thinking Jürgen Prochnow ICBW...
>>
>> C:\>
>
> From the various bits we learn of Vimes:
<snip>

> He's probably white (since it would most likely have been
> specifically mentioned if he was not).

Maybe. There are two cases in particular in sf where this isn't the case:
Ursula LeGuin's Earthsea and Heinlein's _I Will FEar No Evil_.

--
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Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #289083 ] So, 18 Juni 2006 17:01
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 18 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "Anastasia" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com>

> CeltiKaos wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:20:04 -0400, Elder1 wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking Jürgen Prochnow ICBW...
>>>
>>> C:\>
>>
>> From the various bits we learn of Vimes:
> <snip>
>
>> He's probably white (since it would most likely have been
>> specifically mentioned if he was not).
>
> Maybe. There are two cases in particular in sf where this
> isn't the case: Ursula LeGuin's Earthsea and Heinlein's _I
> Will FEar No Evil_.

Not read the latter, but the former has, IIRC, a
Polynesianesque setting, where it should be assumed the
characters are brown-skinned unless they aren't. Katherine
Kerr's Polar City books have a forward explaining that people
who's skin-tone isn't mentioned are probably black.

A-M, though, is not such a setting, as emphasised in Jingo.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #289094 ] So, 18 Juni 2006 17:40
Anke  
Anastasia wrote:
> CeltiKaos wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:20:04 -0400, Elder1 wrote:
> >
> >> I was thinking J=FCrgen Prochnow ICBW...

He's 65 now, which might be a problem?

> >
> > From the various bits we learn of Vimes:
> <snip>
>
> > He's probably white (since it would most likely have been
> > specifically mentioned if he was not).
>
> Maybe. There are two cases in particular in sf where
> this isn't the case: Ursula LeGuin's Earthsea and Heinlein's
> _I Will FEar No Evil_.

But LeGuin spoke up when her characters were depicted as
white. Pterry commented on Paul Kidby's Vimes, 'Paul
always makes him look a bit like Clint Eastwood, but I've
always imagined him as a younger, slightly bulkier
Peter Postlethwaite' (The Art of Discworld, which has no
page numbers). :)

Anke
Re: [R] The Oswalds are up and running again [message #289147 ] So, 18 Juni 2006 20:11
Stacie Hanes  
Anke wrote:
> Anastasia wrote:
>> CeltiKaos wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:20:04 -0400, Elder1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was thinking Jürgen Prochnow ICBW...
>
> He's 65 now, which might be a problem?
>
>>>
>>> From the various bits we learn of Vimes:
>> <snip>
>>
>>> He's probably white (since it would most likely have been
>>> specifically mentioned if he was not).
>>
>> Maybe. There are two cases in particular in sf where
>> this isn't the case: Ursula LeGuin's Earthsea and Heinlein's
>> _I Will FEar No Evil_.
>
> But LeGuin spoke up when her characters were depicted as
> white. Pterry commented on Paul Kidby's Vimes, 'Paul
> always makes him look a bit like Clint Eastwood, but I've
> always imagined him as a younger, slightly bulkier
> Peter Postlethwaite' (The Art of Discworld, which has no
> page numbers). :)

This is true.

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